‘THE US HAS FAILED AND THE AFGHANS HAVE PREVAILED AGAINST ITS INVASION’ says Er. Mohammad Amin Karim

¶Afghanistan's  Hizb-e-Islami party's Senior Political Board Member Engineer Mohammad Amin  Karim talks extensively on the Afghan-US debacle as well as the hot-bed  situation that has lasted for five decades starting from the late 1970s when  the Soviet Union influenced Afghanistan's political, social, economic and  cultural 'evolution' and ultimately invaded it to make it a part of the  Communist empire.

¶The  Hizb-e-Islami official has also over viewed the historical Afghanistan with  examples to elaborate his viewpoint over the course of the past five thousand  years and more contending emphatically how the Afghans have never been  subjected to any sort of foreign domination, rule or even interfering  subjugation and how they have always emerged successful in the struggle against  invaders and conquerors. He also speaks candidly and honestly about the crisis gripping  his homeland after the 9/11 attacks on the US World Trade Center Twin Towers -  blamed on militant Islamic terrorists led by the Al Qaida and its supporters.  He also highlights the numerous woes and problems that have riddled his country  for almost a decade, following the US-led invasion of Afghanistan and delves  deeply into its aftermath and the future of Afghan freedom.

¶The  Hizb-e-Islami leader, who is a friend and admirer of great Afghan freedom  fighter named Engineer Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, tackles almost all aspects of what  has happened and what may occur in Afghanistan while analyzing the current  development of event in his country and the neighboring region and also the  economic turmoil of the West - blaming the US, the UK, France, Germany and allies  for most of the present economic and financial upheavals and recessions while  talking his heart out in an exclusive interview with "The Oslo Times" (TOT)...

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TOT:  How do you see the political situation in Afghanistan  after 2014? For instance, will the whole nation be dragged into yet  another civil war just like it happened after the withdrawal of the Soviets, or  will the scenario transform itself into enabling the smooth establishment of an  efficiently-functioning democratic society?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim "Thank you very much  for providing me with this rare opportunity of an exclusive interview with  "The Oslo Times". This is a very pleasant moment for me that I am  here with this prestigious publication and "defender" of human  rights".

"For  understanding today's situation and the situation beyond 2014, it is necessary  that we should look back a little into the bygone chapters of irrefutable  history. Here, you have the example of the crushing of the Soviet Union Empire  by the ferocity and tenacious endeavor  of the Afghan freedom fighters, along with the sacrifices made by thousands and  thousands of Afghans and made all the more historic when seen in the limelight  of negligible moral backing and ignorable financial support from the rest of  the world". 

""The  "Rival Empire", which means the US, came into the picture where it  can now think of its supremacy over the world, and called this supremacy as the  "New World Order". Afghanistan, as the heart of Asia, and in the  immediate vicinity of the other four atomic powers of the world -- with Iran  threatened and accused of changing into a war-mongering nuclear power among  these three political countries"". 

"With  the increasing economic power of Russia, India and China; the country has  became one of the transit points for the 25 percent under-exploited natural  resources of the world.  Therefore, Washington came to the ground to  handle Afghanistan, in worst of all public analyses, world opinions of neutral  states and logical disasters of such an action on its part.  The military  program of the USA, to handle Afghanistan, was decided from the day when the  "Russian Empire" collapsed".

According  to the Hizb e Islami Afghanistan (H.I.A) leader, it means that in the middle of  the 80s' and the following decades "the Pentagon's strategic plan was working  on how to start a war in its strategically chosen 'weak' nations of the world  especially Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran. This can be gleaned and understood more  effectively by examining the post-1990 downfall of the Soviet Union and the  virtual collapse of Communism there. It should be remembered that the Soviet  Union which was the 'other super-power' of the world. (The US being the first)  failed terribly in humbling the Afghans and had to withdraw its supposedly great  army after suffering a humiliating 'defeat' at the hands of the Afghan  Mujahedeen for more than a decade".

"In  theory, it has been shown in one part of the book, named the "Clashes of the  Civilizations" as to how this American-orchestrated war program was completed  by Mr. Samuel Huntington - as justifiably exposed by the policies of Mrs.  Madeleine Albright and Clinton's other important ministers of his  administration. The military program to attack Afghanistan was decided by the  US in 1998; but according to her (Ms. Albright) neither common talks nor the  vast majority of the American nation's opinion seemed to allow Washington a  chance to invade Afghanistan". 

"However,  the so called 'civil war' in Afghanistan, starting in the 90s' and continuing  for decades later, helped the preplanned and continuous long program of America  and its companions - to make war in Afghanistan -- combined with the help of  the Russians and Iran. And the main objective was to prevent the  "centre" of policy making in Kabul to establish a strong and central  Islamic government throughout Afghanistan".

"The  events of September 11, 2001, emerged (for the US and other global dominating  powers of the international ambitious clique of that time) proved to become the  best ruse to occupy our country.  Military, industrial, and petroleum  lobbies of the US which are the main phenomenon to make its foreign policies;  by misusing of the world thought and humanity, a wrong side of September 11  America attacked on our country, this is transgression against international  law". 

"It  was implemented by using the slogan of fighting against "international  terrorism". As you know the operation of the American Army under 'Enduring  Freedom' does not have any legal provision in Afghanistan.  On the approval  of organizations the existence of ISAF is an example. American invasion  under the name of "Enduring Freedom" has no legal base and the UN has given its  permission only to the ISAF -- to operate in Afghanistan".

"Therefore,  the occupation of Afghanistan by Americans is against the philosophy of  civilized international community worldwide and UNO -- that has organizations  to control peace in all the regions of the world, just as outlaws and pirates  did and still do via the "law of the jungle". The 11 years' existence of  foreign armies in Afghanistan sacrificed over 150,000 people and destroyed many  places in Afghanistan -- even those which were saved during the Russian  occupation". 

Elucidating  further the H.I.A party leader emphasized that "Here, we can rightly say that  the situation is not much better today, than it was in the past. The Afghan  nation during 5,000 years of its history has fought against many invaders  starting from Alexander the Great to Genghis Khan, right up to the British, the  Russians and then the US-NATO troops and their allies".

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"All this only proves that there was no trace of terrorism in  Afghanistan before the Russian invasion which was later worsened by the US-NATO  and their allies' attack on the land using the ruse of fighting against  extremists, militants, fanatics, under the banner of the Al Qaida - and calling  it as a "War on Terror." But, to put matters and the events that happened under  the leadership of the Americans and their 'friends' spread the world over and then  by seeing the factual position as recorded by history - the destruction of  Afghanistan via the US-touted "War on Terror"; it becomes crystal clear that  TERRORISM 'entered' - or we can more correctly say that TERRORISM was  'introduced' into Afghanistan by the coming of the US-NATO forces and their erstwhile allies spread all over  the five inhabited continents of the modern globe. And not just TERRORISM but  even administrative and financial corruption (caused by the super-powers'  invasions in the last five decades) has jeopardized our entire country and put  our motherland in a race with some of the most corrupt countries of the world  present today. And this corruption is also the result of a far greater extent  that has annihilated our homeland and the innocent people, mainly on account of  the existence of the unabated US-NATO presence in Afghanistan".

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According  to the H.I.A official it came out that: "The truth is that the two super-powers  of the world and their friends and allies have annihilated our country using  what I would say the insatiable hunger for imposing their own supremacy via the  "New World Order" through a planned and evil system of devilish cultural  fornication. Thus, it is an undeniable truth and an irrefutable reality - as  the facts have proven and still continue to prove to this day that when  Afghanistan has suffered ruin and obliteration at the hands of the major  power-hungry West especially the US and their global allies and the Soviet  Union.

He  went on to stress his case by arguing that "It is quite convincingly noticeable  when the impartial, unbiased and neutral peace-loving leading historians,  experts on international affairs and several world politicians come out and  dare to speak the truth that stares the whole world in the face. And that truth  and reality is, "they"; the "US-NATO forces and all those who support them have  ransacked a culturally rich and peaceful Afghanistan by attacking and maiming  its peaceful people for five decades".    

"So,  what I would conclude in all fairness and justification is that the "American  Adventure" (War on Terror) has proved to be nothing than a historically  expensive fallacy and has ended up as a complete failure in Afghanistan".

"In  the end, as the H.I.A official pointed out, "It can also be rightly asserted  that the power-mongers of the West, led by the US, the UK, the French, the  Russians and to some extent even the Germans has in fact harmed Afghans and  Afghanistan more than all the previous adventures of conquerors and their likes  ever did. It would only be factually precise to point out here that if anybody  has done more harm to Afghans and Afghanistan it is the Western global powers  seeking world hegemony by hook or crook and doing all the fiendish things they  have managed to do till today and refuse to accept their follies no matter how  much the condemnation of their invasion and destruction of Afghanistan and the  killing of thousands of innocent and peace-loving Afghans matters - in short it  will not be a mistake to say that Afghanistan has been completely wrecked by  the power-hungry world dominating racist policies and adventures of the West -  led by the United States of America, the United Kingdom, France, Germany and  their allies and friends".

TOT: Would you like to let our readers know about the difference  between the Taliban and the Hizb e Islami?

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"The Taliban and the Hizb-e-Islami are totally different in  their principles and their objectives are apart -- from the one point that is  common between us. Taliban's goal is to take power in Afghanistan whereas Hizb  e Islami wants sovereignty. Hizb e Islami believes in collective measures in  which modernism, gender equality, ethnic and cultural values exist together  that will pave the path of brighter future of an Islamic and democratic  Afghanistan whereas Taliban's concept is based on fundamentalism and  radicalization of the society; Taliban wants to take the power through force  and we believe in taking the power through contesting elections in the country.  Our philosophy is based on reality of pluralism in Islamic democracy where the  Islamic civilization can dialogue with the western civilization. Taliban have  just 15 years old history and they have not in the extended past of Afghanistan  but the Hizb e Islami has a history that have deep affects almost from half  century in Afghanistan. We are struggling for the education of girls and boys  in Afghanistan. Our constitution and policy is totally different with the  Taliban and we want the free and fair elections in Afghanistan for the restoration  and evolution of religious democracy in which there would be representation of  all the political parties. We want strong relations with the world".

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TOT: Can you please elaborate on that common point?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim "Our  'mutual point' is that we are both working for the freedom and fighting against  foreign troops and we are mutually struggling for sovereignty and independence  in Afghanistan".

TOT: So what are the differences between the Taliban and the Hizb-e-Islami?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim "The  Taliban have just a 15-year-old history and they have not been there in the  extended past of Afghanistan but the Hizb- e-Islami has a history that has deep  affects for almost half a century in Afghanistan. We are struggling for the  education of girls and boys in Afghanistan. Our constitution and policy is  totally different with the Taliban and we want free and fair elections in  Afghanistan, for the restoration and evolution of religious democracy, in which  there would be fair representation of all the political parties. We want strong  relations with the world".

TOT: How you can say that Afghanistan is  occupied even today?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim "There are  thousands of examples that we are 'occupied' but I would like to give a few of  them here. Our jails are being functioned by the US and there is a strong  interference of the US in the internal, political and other affairs of  Afghanistan...so there is not an independent regime in Afghanistan. If  Afghanistan is not occupied by all the meaning of occupation then how you would  define the term called occupation. Exactly our country is occupied and every  person has the right to defend his country and to defeat the occupant".

TOT: Can you give some examples about the occupancy of Afghanistan?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim "In  Afghanistan there are worst forms of human rights violations and the nastiest  of treatments with the prisoners and even the common people. They are being  kept in illegal detention and imprisonment without any criminal charges against  them. The notorious Bagram jails torture and prisoner abuse is not something  that is 'hidden' from the international media and human rights observers".

TOT: How much popular is the Hizb-e-Islami  among the people of Afghanistan?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim "The Hizb-e-Islami  is a deep-rooted party and it was the first party which raised the voice for  'Jihad' against the Russians and Communism. When Hizb-e-Islami raised its voice  against Communism the entire nation stood behind it. It has a very deeply  entrenched influence among the scholars, the common people, and several public  figures. It is the only party in which the leader is chosen through elections  and this is not a one-man party".

"If the international community wants to understand how much  popular the Hizb-e-Islami is among the Afghan people then it must conduct a  free and fair election in Afghanistan, without any presence of any occupying  army and under the observation of the UNO. Only then would the world come to  know where this party stands and has a position in the country".

TOT: If the Hizb-e-Islami is so much popular then why, even after the  passing of a decade, you people have failed to bring about a change in  Afghanistan against the current political regime?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim "The  Hizb-e-Islami has a concept which serves the interest of the Afghan people and  it is clear that we want sovereignty and independence of Afghanistan at large".  H.I.A is fighting against this occupation without any help from regional or  other foreign countries. Our people have defeated this invasion. (All strategic  studies show that almost all the Afghan people are unanimous behind the military resistance). Now how do you  characterize that this is a policy change or not in Afghanistan. (The Afghan  people are unanimously asking for withdrawing the foreign forces from the  country).

TOT: would you like to share your past interesting memories with the  hundreds of thousands of our readers around the world?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: Despite  having thousands memories of resistance against the invasion of Afghanistan I  would like to share the memories of Tunisia. "Yes. I do want to share some  memories that I can never forget in my life. It was December 1984 when I was  invited by the students of Tunisia University to speak to them on the issue of  'Jihad' and our struggle against Communism".

"I had delivered my speech to the medical and engineering students  at the university. Meanwhile, I was arrested by the security forces of Tunisia  and they put me behind bars -- despite the fact that I was invited over there  by the students of Tunisia University".

"I saw mammoth enthusiasm in the students of Tunisia University  for Afghanistan and its people. They lauded our contribution and struggle for  Afghanistan".

"I spent almost one week in the jail and one night some security  forces' personnel came into my cell and they blindfolded me and then took me to  an unknown place".

"After reaching there one of the security personnel made me take  off the blindfold. When I was able to open my eyes I was shocked to see Mr.  Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, who, in that age happened to be the head of the  Tunisia official spy agency. Later he became the head of the Tunisian  government".

"Ben Ali asked me as to what I was doing there? And then  subsequently he started slapping me. There was enormous hate in his eyes and he  humiliated and disgusted me extremely. There is this self respect and esteem  inherent in every human being but he had gone beyond these values in and did all  he could to disgrace me. In that time I found him the worst and the most  impolite person".

"Then he asked the security personnel to take me to the airport  and expel me to France on an immediate flight. It is one among the thousands of  stories of my life.

TOT: Do you still bear any kind of hostility and hatred against Ben  Ali while remembering his "most impolite" behavior towards you?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: "No, There  is no hate for anyone in my heart. I believe that forgiveness is a thousand  times better than vengeance -- according to my Islamic ideology and also my  personnel beliefs. I am against the oppression not only the oppressor".

TOT: How do you view the massacre of Desert Leili that occurred in  December, 2001, at the time of the US invasion of  Afghanistanin which more than 4,000 Taliban prisoners were shot and  suffocated to death in metal truck containers?

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"The US and Afghan Generals were involved in the bloodshed at  Dashti-i-Leili. This was an orchestrated massacre by the US in Afghanistan and  is a shameful and barbaric act of genocide. This massacre proved how much the US believes and respects  universal human rights and humane values? The US and international media have  been exposing these facts and other horrible stories of the Leili massacre.  According to an article in the "Newsweek's 2002" edition it was plainly  stated that "death by containers" - locking prisoners in containers  and leaving them to die inside them - had been an established method of mass  execution in Afghanistan for some years".

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Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: In  2002, the Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) carried out preliminary investigations of alleged mass  gravesites at Mazar. A UN forensic team found 15 recently deceased bodies in a  six-yard trial trench dug at a one-acre grave site and performed an autopsy on three of them; concluding that they had been the victims  of homicide -- the cause of death being consistent with suffocation, as  described by eyewitness reports, featured in Doran's film.

Further investigations of the mass grave sites were impeded by  Rashid Dostum's continuing military control over the area and further more  impeded by his intimidation. Human Rights organizations have claimed that  the Bush administration consistently refused to respond to the PHR's calls for  investigation.

We  want thorough investigations done through the International Criminal Court  (ICC) in this matter and want justice for the innocent Afghan people who were  killed by the US forces in such a brutal way.

TOT: The strategic partnership agreement signed between the US  and Afghanistan will come into effect after the US withdrawal. So what is your  opinion on the recently signed strategic partnership agreement between the US  and Afghanistan? And how would it be beneficial for Afghanistan? How would this  agreement be advantageous for Afghanistan after it comes into force after 2014?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: "Common global  power-seekers of the world and especially the US have now come to understand  that it was a vain idea to spend more than 120 billion dollars in a year and  kill the young people for occupying Afghanistan; more than 70 percent of the  American people want their Army to leave Afghanistan. Barack Obama is busy with  his second presidential campaign and he has been encircled by the difficult  situation on one side by Afghan resistance and on another side by American  people and the international community; and the huge amount to spend on war in  Afghanistan, in this critical economic situation of Americans. On other hand  the American civilian opinion is completely different.

"President  Obama tells his people that "We have signed a 'contract' to leave Afghanistan  after 2014 just as we did, at the first, sign a contract to leave Iraq.  Therefore; we leave Afghanistan by this second presidential campaign. So this  contract is due to enter the political situation of America, on the other side  from the illegal occupation of our country this contract will give legal proof  of staying in Afghanistan after 13 years of illegally staying in our  country". 

"The  problem is that this "contract" has been signed by only Mr. Obama and his  followers in Afghanistan and there is no legal point/agreement/consensus, in  common, on Afghanistan -- about this "contract" which Obama boasts  about so vociferously. There is also no legal eye-to-eye view in the Kabul  regime, about the viewpoint boasted by Obama. Our people who must be the  foremost and very first beneficiaries of this "agreement" want to  forget the bad situation which has been caused by the USA and worsened even  further by its plan to establish a permanent base in Afghanistan, by promising  financial support". 

TOT: But what if all this is not logically acceptable?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: "The people of the  world and of the USA will understand that after 2014 the poor economic  situation of the USA will not be able to pay 120 billion US dollars to its  troops in Afghanistan -- and this thought in the rest of the Western world will  not be accepted just like that -- because the money has been spent on only  killing thousands of innocent men, women and children in Afghanistan.  The  country the position of resistance is becoming more and stronger in Afghanistan  and if the freedom fighters continued their resistance then they will not be  willing to surrender even at gunpoint today".

"Now,  the world knows that in this situation, there is no positive point. Scholars  believe that "The position of the war for freedom is that there should be no  killing or destroying at all". So, for now, the condition of setting up buffer  zones in Afghanistan is getting even wider and wider". 

"However;  the country and its companions want to narrow down the war canvas for control  of the casualties and they send more and more of the Army into Afghanistan. In  my view, it is clear to one and all that the Kabul regime of Hamid Karzai and  its Army is not acceptable to a vast majority of the Afghan people". 

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"The fact is that there is no sense in fighting with the people  of the nation. The existence of more than 50 countries of the world couldn't  break our people's unity and spirit of freedom and independence and so the  Afghans just cannot be dictated to, ordered by anybody to do this or do that  nor can they be subjugated by any outside power of the world. History bears  ample testimony to this fact. Doesn't it?

"Now, we can say that at least the Army of Afghanistan is doing  and is utilizing its abilities of fighting by controlling the national movement  in the country. Have you not seen the movement of the nation against the  American people and the killing of two American citizens in a week, which means  that there is some resistance by Afghan army and they are killing one or two  soldiers in a week?'' 

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Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: "Therefore, we can say  that the existence of the Americans in Afghanistan will lead the nation towards  more and more bloodshed. As you say it, the situation will become very bad indeed,  like it used to be 19 years ago. However, if the Americans want to bring peace  and establish a permanent system of sustainable government in Afghanistan, the  easiest way would be to be in touch with the facts as they happen to be and  nurture good relations with our people and the direct and transparent  negotiations with Afghan resistance with Hizb e Islami and Taliban.

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 "This war has been imposed by the Western  powers on our nation. Peace through dialogue and negotiations is inevitable for  the independence of our nation as it is our unquestionable and undeniable  right. Here I also want to add that it can be declared that if the Americans in  Afghanistan want to be led by Washington's system then it will not be easy to  bring and establish peace and security especially in the near future".

 "According  to several Western politicians it is vitally essential to ensure and establish  justice-based on peace all over the world. The Afghan nation is  "injured" and "damaged" far more than the other nations as  the result of the Soviet and American-NATO wars. Therefore, the Afghan nation  will be definitely keener to do all it possibly and honorably can, in favor of  peace, security and independence in and around the world". 

"The  common system leading to the people is possible when there are values set up  and recognized via religion and human rights. It's not possible by imposing  "his (Obama's) own idea on a nation". 

"Nevertheless,  the key to stopping the war and ending the debacle is in the hands of America  and its allies and companions. The clear part of the so called  "aggreement" is to deny our right of being independent and strangely  enough, on the other side, it only aspires/seeks to bring and increase  corruption in our country." 

"The  past experience of the existence of the American Army in some Third World  countries, especially in the Philippines, Panama, and other Latin American  countries, shows how bad that experience has been". 

"So  the really important thing now is that the setting up of a permanent base of  the US Army in Afghanistan is only meant for prolonging a long war which will  only result in the senseless and  ruthless killing of thousands of  innocent Afghan men, women and children, old and young alike. It even means  that within the country the people will stand/opt for independence, while from  outside Iran, Pakistan and many other countries, they will stand/opt against  the establishment of a permanent base of the American Army in  Afghanistan". 

"Now,  the question is that why America is going to establish its permanent base in a  far-off country like Afghanistan. If it really wants and is sincere enough for  peace in Afghanistan, it can do this more successfully by inculcating and  fostering a good relationship through understanding and trust and even via  independent positive exchanges via dialogue and discussion on working honestly  for a durable and sustainable peace in Afghanistan". 

"We  should not forget that the Americans attacked Afghanistan by giving us the  "reason" of the "Al Qaida"; militancy and terrorism; aimed  at the US and its Western and Eastern allies. Therefore, this too must be our  country's foremost and chief responsibility ... to control war-mongering  Americans from attacking our neighboring countries. It's the only Afghan  nation that could prevent groups from attacking the neighboring countries or  any other country around the world".

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Russia,  China, Iran, and Pakistan have benefited whenever there is a war in Afghanistan  but still they are against the establishing of a permanent American base in  Afghanistan. And the last word is that by the signing of this  "agreement", the US wants to make Afghanistan a country which must  and could always remain under its "protection" -- which means that it  will be nothing other than a system just like the colonial rules and laws  employed by the British and the French during the 18th, 19th and  the beginning of the 20th centuries. The result of such a  colonial 'takeover' is clear to all. It is bound to fail... it will be a day  dream especially in Afghanistan.

TOT: What's your take on the current relationship between  Afghanistan and the European Union? Are they flourishing?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: "The western  European countries, as a hub of democracy and strong economy in human society,  can play their important role and bring peace and security to the whole world  as well as to Afghanistan. A few European countries have the experience of the  "colonial system" exploited by the British and the French during the  last two centuries. They understand that the economical tragedy entered African  countries and Asia in order to establish the despotic system is also harmful  for them too. The problem of economic immigration emerged from that  exploitative system, but fortunately many European countries do not have that  type of a colonial past in their present history. Therefore, today the European  Union is not able to impose or to create the same despotic system which,  inversely, the USA is following to gain world domination and remain the only  super-power for as long as it can".

"Also,  the EU is proving itself to be the best conglomeration of states, for making  good economical, cultural relationships worldwide and that includes Afghanistan  too. Afghanistan has changed almost completely after the long wars with the  Soviets and then the US-NATO troops spread over five decades". 

"The  country has been changed for the better to evolve and solidify a good  relationship with Christian and Western civilizations and become a better for  all Islamic and western states of the globe. So the action of this as can be  envisioned in the future also wider dependency and bilateral cooperation with  European countries. Here, Norway, due to its cultural values can play an  important and active role to usher in peace and security worldwide".  So  we warmly welcome the nation of Norway if it does provide the framework and  practicable base to resolve the pathetic Afghan-US-NATO scenario and in this  way strives to arrange an international peace conference for finding a solution  for Afghanistan.

TOT: What are the areas where Afghanistan is looking at to  develop a healthy relationship with Europe?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: "Commonly, scholars  believe that as Afghans are willing for independence, they are also willing to  have honest relations with other countries. The importance of the matter will  be clear when we explain the general massacre by a human killer in the past few  months in your country Norway".  

"The  relationship of Islam with European countries will stop these types of insane  and inhuman criminal racist-oriented killings of innocent human beings.  Afghanistan is rich in mining so we will be agreeing on the extraction of our  resources and minerals but sincere moves and measures have to be evinced to  make this plan workable for the people of Afghanistan as well as the European  countries. And we have decided that with an independent Afghanistan it will be  easier and smoother to establish better relationships and evolve improved  bilateral ties plus a good and healthy mutual highway of cooperation and  co-existence aimed at improving our education system, health services,  economical savings and several other still to be explored mutually beneficial  cooperative schemes with the European countries". 

TOT: Has the distance between the Afghan people and the Afghan  government increased, or do the Afghan people find their government standing in  different lines -- which has put aside the public opinion? Is the distance  between a common Afghan and a common Afghan government growing?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: "When America attacked  Afghanistan, it collapsed the regime, which was created and supported by  themselves and by its allies including Pakistan, UK, and some other Gulf  countries. Therefore; they brought the people in power who was mainly the  Russia, India and Iran allies. These people were secluded in eye of our nation  because of their financial thirst, however; these people will not share the  values of our nation. And above all business of narcotics, administrative  corruption, immorality, lack of judicial power etc... made the authorities  secluded in view of our people. From the other side fixing ministers, governors  on key positions even many members of parliament through the outside embassies.  Therefore; those people will not accept our nation's idea".

TOT: After the assassination of Osama bin Laden there are  speculations that the Taliban have became more important in Afghan politics and  even in US strategies. So, if it can be perceived, [that] the Karzai Government  has accepted to exist alongside, with the Taliban framework? What will be your  opinion on it be?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: "The war which was  initiated by western powers by stating the reason of Al Qaida and terrorism.  The current US minister of defense Leon Panetta who was also remained a  director of CIA has said: "In Afghanistan 50 - 100 members of Al Qaida are  operating between Afghanistan - Pakistan borders". Beside the European  financial support; the US had spent 120 billion dollars a year to kill or to  capture one hundred members of the Al Qaida which means the US is spending 1.2  billion dollars again in a year to kill one member of Al Qaida. Is there any similar  foolish affirmation like this? Is that reasonable? Is this not a nonsense  pretext to occupy my country?"

"The  interesting thing is that for 10 years America and its followers couldn't  define the word 'terrorism'. Dr. Jurgen  Todenhofer, one of the greatest leaders of CDU in 80's and 90's decades in  Germany, in his publication has pointed that in the 80s' Bush administration  wanted to started a war so they charged the Pentagon's think tank to find out  the definition for 'Terrorism' these think tanks proposed five definitions of  terrorism. But the irony of the history is that by all these five definitions  USA could be considered as the first terrorist in the world. That's why they  say there is no definition of terrorism. The USA decided that our enmity towards  terrorism should be clear but there should not be a clear definition of the  word 'Terrorism' itself. The result was, if any country of the world stands to  fight against the US, it will be called a terrorist. It was due to this fact  that Mr. Julien Assange, the chairman of the Wikileaks website, came to be  called a terrorist but Mr. Bush did not say that you are 'with us' or 'against  us'. If there is anyone who goes against American interests they call him a  terrorist".

"About  the Taliban it should be said that they are trying to take over power only;  never had they tried to fight a genocide type of war in Afghanistan. The  American media in the world especially of the US called all Afghan resistance  that of the Taliban but the resistance in Afghanistan is not being carried out  by Taliban alone and the point is that all the people of Afghanistan are  resisting against the occupation, especially under the command of Hizb e Islami  lead by Mr. Hekmatyar; who had also fought against the Russian invasion only  for humanity and freedom which changed the history of Communism and the face of  the world".

"Mr.  Hekmatyar, was fighting against the Russian regime only for freedom and  sovereignty and the dignity of the Afghan people, but the America government  has blacklisted even him. The man was called as a "great freedom fighter" by  the former US President Ronald Reagan. Today the Hizb-e-Islami, thanks to the  leadership of Mr. Hekmatyar, happens to be the active power in Afghanistan".

"The  problem of Afghanistan will not be solved if any party enters into coalition  with Karzai government whom people called it as puppet government then there  would be no solution at all. The only way of solution is withdraw occupying  armies from Afghanistan, and secondly; when the people of Afghanistan sit  together and decide about its system. If any group stands beside; the puppet  regime under any name or under any flag then our nation fights against  them. On the other hand if any group  stands and fight for humanity, dignity, sovereignty and freedom then our nation  will support and welcome them too. The Afghan people throughout the history  have always stood against the occupation and had ousted it from Afghanistan. So  there is no point further to explain it any more".

TOT: Is it a fact that the US has offered the Taliban some  waiver, as there has been news that the US is using the backdoor policy in  releasing the Taliban prisoners from the notorious Bagram prison. If there is  reality in these reports then there might be a U-turn in the US policy towards  the Taliban. Then what would be the prospects that lie ahead for Afghanistan,  if this has really happened as reported?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: "Yes, due to our  information there is gossip that the persons who came out of the US prisons  have different positions, many of them like Mullah Zaif and Mullah Motawakel  are being controlled directly by the US. Their duty is to play the role of  mediators between the US, Karzai government and the Taliban. And the others,  like Mullah Zakir Qayum, have again joined with the Taliban and started the  fresh resistance. The first group does not have value as it does not represent  the main view point of the people. But the second group can join the Taliban  and be supported by the Afghan nation. If the US tries to resolve the  reintegration, process in this manner, there will not be any success in ending  the present problem. If there happen to be 'objectives of reconciliation'  again, it should be said that the resistance of the Afghan people are not  against the Karzai regime as there is no civil war in Afghanistan in current  scenario but the resistance of the people is now against the cruel rule which  has been forcibly imposed on the nation. However, the only way to solve the  problem is through sensible policies aiming at independence and reintegration  of the Afghans and not through such type of reconciliation".

TOT: The Hamid Karzai government has totally failed to address  the national public outcry against the innocent civilian deaths. It is  pertinent to mention here that in March there have been huge casualties  reported in Kandahar by the one US Army soldier. What will you like to comment  on it?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: "The 'event' which you  are mentioning has not committed by one soldier but by the group of soldiers  with the helicopters machine guns in the Punjwai village, in Kandahar. How is  it possible that a man alone can come out in a dark night and kill so many  people? And no one will arrest him... surely we can say that the people in this  village could kill him or arrested him if he was alone... with empty hands...  against this kind of a person. This is genocide and there are thousands of  examples like Punjwai. And is it impossible that one soldier comes out from his  base, alone in a dark night and kills several children and people? Apart from  this event, a few days ago they burned the Glorious Holy Quran in their main  base at Bagram and after a few days they killed farmers and peed on their dead  bodies; even though they were not the Taliban".

"Almost  every day these kinds of crimes are committed by the American soldiers in our  country. The main question is that if the American soldiers come in Afghanistan  for helping and supporting the country then why they are they doing these  sinful acts?"

"The  fact is that the American leadership and policy makers picture their 'enemy' to  their people as not even humans and it is against all human rights values,  negating the US claims that they are defenders of human rights. However, the  reality is visibly and factually, totally different. This situation is also in  action against the Muslim Mujahedeen in Afghanistan...as it was same with Soviet  Communism".

"Now  the blood money for an Afghan is only 200 US dollars but for an American and  European it is not less than three million US dollars. This shows that the  value of one Afghan is less than the value of even a jungle animal to the  American soldier. Don't you read and see that the very soldiers who are  entering Afghanistan are forced to study anti-Islam propaganda three weeks  before their arrival in Afghanistan".

"And  let me add here that Mr. Karzai is looking for his benefits only and he is  against the Americans leaving Afghanistan. And on the other side Iran and  Russia have benefited from this long invasion by the US-NATO troops in  Afghanistan".

TOT: From the last few years, the World Health Organization  (WHO) and other drug control authorities are considering to allow  pharmaceutical companies to purchase Afghan opium for making drugs like  morphine and other pain killers, in order to make these high-cost medicines,  widely available to the poor. Are these reports true? What are the steps being  taken by the government to control this trade and to make the parties involved  in such illicit drug production accountable?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: "In the last years the  WHO and many NGOs determined something. Last week the Defense Minister of  Tajikistan General Abdul Rahimov, proposed to buy the produced narcotics for  making medicines from Afghanistan. But the fact is that the production of  narcotics increased during the most recent foreign occupation in Afghanistan.  The result could be economical whereas when seen from the other side it is  clear that if our country plants or produces narcotics then the same will get  exported even to American countries".

"According  to US intelligence agencies and researchers and NGOs a 'three percent' benefit  of the narcotics trade will remain for Afghan farmers while the 97 percent of  the same will go into the pockets of who are working against Afghanistan and  the money transferred into the bank accounts of international and national  mafia in European countries".

"This  estimation comprises over billions and billions of dollars. Before the American  power in Afghanistan, the percentage of addicted people was not more than 2000,  but with the arrival of the Americans here, more than a million men and women  especially teenagers are addicted -- with their families and this is also  happening in Europe. Many leaders in the corrupt Kabul regime take the huge  money in the name of taxes from the western tax payers and support the  criminals in our country. We have an expression in our language that "to ask a  burglar to catch the burglar". The way to end the war and to have long-term  economic policies through irrigation etc is the best way to fight against the  newly emerging narcotics danger. In our  position, the production, supply and consumption of any kind of drugs to harm  people and destroy generations, is completely prohibited and is totally  unacceptable. In some way it reminds us about the opium wars in China under  British occupation".

TOT: What are the policy initiatives, which the Karzai  government is taking to ensure a safer and stable Afghanistan after the  withdrawal of US forces in 2014? Will Afghanistan's security forces be able to  take full charge of their country in the post-US withdrawal scenario? Are they  equipped and trained well enough to deal with the growing resistance of other  factions in Afghanistan?

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Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim:

"The puppet Karzai regime  is a creation of the current occupation. When the occupying army will leave  Afghanistan, its created puppet regime will collapse too, and he will face the  same fate as Dr. Najibullah whose puppet government was imposed by the Russian  occupants. The Afghan army which is in fact a gathering of several ethnic  militia and warlords or in the other words it's an army of Northern Alliance  will be used in the future by the leaders of this alliance. So, this army  cannot fight against the resistance of the Afghan people. By the way; even the  previous Afghan army had been created by the dictator regime to fight against  its own people. When Afghanistan is attacked or occupied by the foreign country  this army has become an instrument of the occupants of the country. It has been  for a long time it is the reality today that only the Afghan people has been  fighting for its independence and its freedom. Earlier, this army was working  for the Russian occupiers and today they are working for the present  occupier. Afghanistan is a poor country  and we cannot afford huge military institutions, we rather work in a popular  defense system supported by a popular democratic institution".

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TOT: Is the judicial system of Afghanistan established at par  with the other judicial systems of the world to deal with the challenges being  faced now and also those challenges that will be faced afterwards by the Afghan  people?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: "The responsibility of  the judicial power is to provide social justice. And a country in which its  basic fundamental rights (independence, sovereignty, dignity and national  identity) are not even evident, in which the foreign people have 'hiding' them  inside jails and are torturing innocents then how is it possible to speak from  the dais of a judicial power and clamor for social justice? Is not independence  the first, foremost and the fundamental primary right of a nation? If the  foreigners come to our judgment here they should judge impartially. The system  of colonial people, which you have pointed in a previous question, is partly  directed at our nation. In this occupied system the human rights is not solved  through the judiciary. But it is solved through embassies. Many people condemn  death to usurpation of the others' properties but the present government  prevents them from even these court procedures. In one word, sacrifice against  this colonial legacy is our right to march onwards to full freedom. Whenever  there is any exposing of scandal / scam the embassies are denying the right to  provide justice to the people as they too support the corrupt leaders of this  country".

TOT: Recently, Mr. Hekmatyar leader of Hizb-e-Islami said,  [that] he has stopped the negotiations with the Karzai leadership. So what will  the consequences be after since the negotiations are called off? Will  Afghanistan face a new wave of conflicts just like it is facing with the  Taliban, or will it increase the fault line which already exists in the  political structure of the country?" As  Mr. Hekmatyar is an influential political figure and has called off the  negotiations with the Karzai set-up, will the world witness yet another change  on the Afghan political front?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: "The Hizb e Islami's  under the leadership of a respected leader, Engineer Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who,  for 40 years is trying to provide independence and social justice. This party  had experienced two great powers of the world: Russia and US-NATO, and has  sacrificed more than 95 percent of its leaders in the freedom movement. One of  the supreme objectives of the party is freedom of Afghanistan. So, now it is  clear that H.I.A's framework is only stand for independence and freedom.  Independence is important for Afghans and is of the outmost priority to us. Our  party is not against Mr. Karzai and does not want to take over power  forcefully. Two years ago our party proposed 17 articles as a platform to the  Kabul regime and also to the 'foreign governments' in Afghanistan and this  proposal was asking for the withdrawal of foreign forces from Afghanistan and  after this free and fair elections will be held in our country in order to  prevent the so called civil war in Afghanistan".

"The  present regime has been established under the occupying army and there is no  anything as the constitutional law. Hizb e Islami has accepted all the points  made by the Karzai government but does not agree on one point that in  Afghanistan any foreign power should remain. The signing of this strategic  agreement makes Afghanistan as the country under the protection of the US. The  effect of this shameful agreement which was signed during the night between  Karazi and Obama without informing the public as he feared from the national  backlash, this agreement will lead the US to establish a permanent base here, for  a long time. But the summary of this kind of agreement will be nothing except a  long war".

"Here  our neighbors want a long war in Afghanistan for their own benefits but even  they are against the presence of American troops in Afghanistan. If the US and  its followers want to leave respectfully, we will help them under every  condition, otherwise, the Afghan nation has never accepted any kind of  subjugation or any kind of a slavery system in its entire history. "In  Afghanistan time is in our hand and the watch is in the hand of the occupant".

TOT: The Afghan people as well as the International community  claims [that] "Iran has become culturally more involved in Afghanistan  particularly in Kabul where a portion of media supports it and is under its  influence. Meanwhile, have a relation with Pakistani establishments. And India  too is increasing its cultural influence in Afghanistan. These three different  countries, with a history of turbulently volatile relationship have now come  'together' in Afghanistan. How will you deal with this situation, specifically,  the Pak-India ties, as there is an indirect competition between the two  countries?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: "Our country has a  rich cultural history spread over 5,000 years. History shows that our nation stood  against many great powers that attacked it and always managed to save its  civilization. The US, by spending so much money in 30 years, wants to create  pro American parties with popular base without any success but we hope that  people are changing but for betterment and are against slavery. And now the  situation is that they fix the people on key positions like they have the power  to fix governors and in embassies etc... and also to 'enforce' the media to  display its version of events - meaning media propaganda warfare. 'They' have  changed our country to a home without an owner, with shattered windows and  blasted apart doors. Of course, Iran, Pakistan and India are silently  interfering in our country but not physically".

"And  even logic proves that we should first get rid of the 'thieves' who have  entered our home openly and then the thieves that plan to enter from some other  side. This is the existence of the foreign power agenda that provides the  groundwork to enable Russia, Iran, Pakistan and India enter into our  country".

TOT: How you expound that Hizb e Islami would be able in making Afghanistan a  truly democratic and peaceful country?

Er.  Mohammad Amin Karim: "I am sure about this  as the Hizb e Islami is against the war in Afghanistan that has been strictly  imposed on us. We want a country where the Institutions will get stronger and  powerful, where the parliament and Justice systems will triumph and the entire  government and semi-government department's work, as empowered by jurisdiction,  to achieve the set goals and objectives for the nation's capacity-building and  bright future. We accept the only one dictatorship. "It's the rule of the law".

TOT: You have lived and worked with Mr. Hekmatyar for a long  time; so how have you found him as a person and as a leader of your party?  Apart from this how do you see him as a national leader of Afghanistan?

Er. Mohammad Amin Karim: "I have found him to  be a great Muslim, a person who loves his country and a very generous and  kind-hearted person. He is a learned scholar and a powerful leader. He is a  matchless figure in the political history of Afghanistan. I feel proud of my  entire political life which I have spent under his great leadership. He is a  kind of leader who can fight and achieve Afghanistan's freedom struggle as he  has proven himself as a man who sacrificed his family including his father, to  fight for his motherland's independence. I see him as a leader who strives for  Afghanistan's sovereignty and freedom. He possesses unique strategic knowledge  and knows about modernism while also being well-versed and informed about Islam  - his own religion. And the best part of all this is that he has no affection,  affiliation or extraordinary liking and affinity with the materialistic  world". I am sure that the history will  remember him among the greatest freedom fighters in the history of human kind.

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